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== Icon discussion ==
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If you have any suggestions for the icons on the main page, please post them in this section. Some unresolved(?) points from the previous archive are:
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* Order of icons (see [[Talk:Minecraft Wiki/Archive 19#Icon discussion]])
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* "Mechanics" icon (see [[Talk:Minecraft Wiki/Archive 19#Minecraft]])
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* "Biomes" icon (see [[Talk:Minecraft Wiki/Archive 19#Minecraft]])
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* "Farming" icon (see [[Talk:Minecraft Wiki/Archive 19#Minecraft]])
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* "Fishing" icon (see [[Talk:Minecraft Wiki/Archive 19#Fishing]])
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Thanks! | [[User:Violine1101|violine1101]] <sup>([[User talk:Violine1101|talk]])</sup> 03:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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:I'd like the Biomes icon to be changed to a map or something, because the current one doesn't suggest biomes, and it's also recency bias. [[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 09:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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::I guess instead, we could do layers of leaves similar to:
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::[[File:Rainbow Wool.png|80px]] [[File:AYAANFACE.png|20x20px|link=https://minecraft.wiki/w/User:Ayaan]] [[User:Ayaan|<span style="font-family:Minecraft; background: linear-gradient(90deg, #46beff, #419aee); -webkit-background-clip: text; color: transparent; text-shadow: 2px 2px 5px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.3);">Ayaan</span>]] 20:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::I think that the layered leaves would look messy. Maybe the trees
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:::<div class="pixel-image">[[File:BlockSprite leaves.png|width=100]] [[File:EnvSprite trees.png|width=100]]</div> [[File:KaiFace.png|width=15]][[User:Miner|Miner]]([[File:ItemSprite player-head.png|link=User talk:Miner]][[User talk:Miner|talk]] [[File:ItemSprite book-and-quill.png|link=User:Miner/Contributions]] [[User:Miner/Contributions|contributions]]) 10:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::I agree. What about this?
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::::[[File:sprite_AllLeaves.png|90px]]
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::::I don't like the trees as much as it seems too fan-made / a creation not from Mojang [[File:AYAANFACE.png|20x20px|link=https://minecraft.wiki/w/User:Ayaan]] [[User:Ayaan|<span style="font-family:Minecraft; background: linear-gradient(90deg, #46beff, #419aee); -webkit-background-clip: text; color: transparent; text-shadow: 2px 2px 5px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.3);">Ayaan</span>]] 13:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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:The order of icons should be changed, with the most important, contentful ones (blocks, mobs, items) being first. [[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 09:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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::That's a good idea. Some of the ones that are less important could be moved to a less prominent position. -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 13:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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:We should add farming (in previous discussion there was 2 support and 1 weak support) [[File:KaiFace.png|width=15]][[User:Miner|Miner]]([[File:ItemSprite player-head.png|link=User talk:Miner]][[User talk:Miner|talk]] [[File:ItemSprite book-and-quill.png|link=User:Miner/Contributions]] [[User:Miner/Contributions|contributions]]) 09:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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:I don't like the slime icon for mobs. I propose creeper head or pig
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:[[File:Creeper Head (8) JE3.png|width=100]] [[File:Pig.png|width=100]]
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:[[File:KaiFace.png|width=15]][[User:Miner|Miner]]([[File:ItemSprite player-head.png|link=User talk:Miner]][[User talk:Miner|talk]] [[File:ItemSprite book-and-quill.png|link=User:Miner/Contributions]] [[User:Miner/Contributions|contributions]]) 09:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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::I like the pig. I prefer showing a whole mob but I agree the slime isn't that recognisable. [[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 10:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::That's true. The slime isn't very recognizable, seeing as how new players really don't know what it is. -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 13:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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:I'm not actually sure about fishing. While I myself really enjoy it, it's quite obscure and people don't really know its usefulness. (Seriously, when I get two string, I never run out of food.) But I don't actually think many people want or need to know about it. -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 14:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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::Maybe merging it with farming somehow? [[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 20:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::That's s good idea, but how... -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 20:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::Yeah, fishing doesn't really apply with farming [[User:Brody0727|Brody0727]] ([[User talk:Brody0727|talk]]) 18:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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:I'd like a Servers or Minigames icon, because many play on them a lot. [[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 20:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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::But that's unofficial content, which we do not document. -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 20:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Just saw this thread. Anyway - my suggestions:
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:'''Order'''
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:Crafting | Smelting | Blocks | Items | Mobs | Biomes | Redstone | History
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:Structures | Enchanting | Brewing | Effects | Commands | Trading | Smithing | Tutorials
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:I'll be following the order above for my suggestions. I'm not going to care if there's a consensus or not - I'll still provide my ideas no matter what.
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:'''Crafting, Smelting'''
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:Crafting table and furnace. These are trivial.
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:'''Blocks'''
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:Grass Block or Stone.
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:'''Items'''
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:Diamond Pickaxe (current icon).
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:'''Mobs'''
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:Creeper - either the head or the full render.
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:'''Biomes'''
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:A filled map. A map is a representation of the world IRL, and I think it should also apply here.
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:'''Redstone'''
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:Redstone Dust (current icon).
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:'''History'''
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:A book and quill. History will always change as the days pass also get written into the books, and a book and quill is literally an editable book.
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:'''Structures'''
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:A village.
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:'''Enchanting'''
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:Enchanting Table (current icon).
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:'''Brewing'''
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:Brewing Stand. I really don't like how potions themselves are used - If all the other mechanics used its toolstation, I see no reason why brewing isn't consistent with it. It's not like the icon for Enchanting is an enchanted book.
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:'''Effects'''
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:The Poison effect icon (current icon). It's clear that it isn't an item in-game, and it suits the section well.
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:'''Commands'''
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:Command Block (current icon).
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:'''Trading'''
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:Emerald (current icon) or Villager - either the head or the full render.
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:'''Smithing'''
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:Smithing Table or Netherite Upgrade Template. Same reason as Brewing.
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:'''Tutorials'''
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:Lectern (current icon).
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:Enjoy. '''[[User:3A|3A]]''' | <b style="border:2px solid #000"> [[User talk:3A|T]] </b><b style="border:2px solid #000"> [[Special:Contributions/3A|C]] </b> 11:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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::I am {{c|neutral}} on the changing of the order. I don't mind if that does or does not change.
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::I {{c|extremely strong support}} for the changing on the icons. Clear, accessible icons and images is very important. You shouldn't need to guess what the icon belongs to. [[File:AYAANFACE.png|20x20px|link=https://minecraft.wiki/w/User:Ayaan]] [[User:Ayaan|<span style="font-family:Minecraft; background: linear-gradient(90deg, #46beff, #419aee); -webkit-background-clip: text; color: transparent; text-shadow: 2px 2px 5px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.3);">Ayaan</span>]] 16:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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::{{c|strong support}} on the order of icons. <span style="font-family:minecraft">[[File:Minecraft Wiki PhoenixAsh89.png|link=User:PhoenixAsh89|128px]] ([[User talk:PhoenixAsh89|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/PhoenixAsh89|edits]])</span> 17:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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::{{c|Oppose}} The consistently most used pages on the wiki are "Trading" and "Brewing". Putting these near the end is not be in the interest of most readers. | [[User:Violine1101|violine1101]] <sup>([[User talk:Violine1101|talk]])</sup> 21:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::Where do you find these statistics, by the way? -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 23:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::The view metrics dashboard is not currently public, but Weird Gloop is currently working on making it available via a special page. | [[User:Violine1101|violine1101]] <sup>([[User talk:Violine1101|talk]])</sup> 15:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::::I see. Things was, I've seen you cite info from frequent page searches and stuff like that. Ah well, they're making it a special page :) -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 15:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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::I think the most dominant things among the most often searched should be how we do the order. I agree with Violine mainly, but I think 3A has a point too. -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 23:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::I disagree with trading and brewing being first, as while they themselves may be the most searched pages, block- or item-related content, not just the main Blocks page, is likely to be more searched for. Also, blocks, items etc. are essential, but you can play without trading or potions, which are secondary mechanics. A new player shouldn't read Trading first. [[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 09:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::The main wiki page isn't here to indicate what people ''should'' be reading, but to provide the info that they ''want'' to read. - [[User:Jack McKalling|Jack McKalling]] ([[User talk:Jack McKalling|talk]]) 11:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Blocks are the elements of the game. Searches for trading shouldn't be compared to searches for blocks, but to the sum of searches for all block types, since this is what the blocks page does. [[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 14:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::The "Blocks" page is not useful for most readers. People rarely need to view all the blocks, but they do need to know all the trades. The point of pages on MP is to have easy access to the most used pages, which is a philosophy we've adopted when we redesigned it during the fork. '''[[MCW:GIM|<span style="color:#396cdb">GIM</span>]] [[User:Dianliang233|<span style="color:#03049c">Dianliang233</span>]] [[User talk:Dianliang233|<span style="color:#396cdb">T</span>]] [[Special:Contribs/Dianliang233|<span style="color:#39f">C</span>]]''' 14:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Only very technical players need a list of all trades. If you want I can provide a compromise:
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:::::Blocks | Mobs | Items | Crafting | Trading | Brewing | Smelting | Enchanting | Redstone | Commands | Biomes | Structures | Effects | Smithing | History | Tutorials
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:::::[[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 14:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::::Our page view data suggests otherwise. The dashboard is not available ATM (Weird Gloop is moving the data to a special page) but trading and brewing is definitely used way more than the "fundamentals". If only the very technical players use these pages, we would see datapack/redstone related pages on the top of the list as well, but we don't. '''[[MCW:GIM|<span style="color:#396cdb">GIM</span>]] [[User:Dianliang233|<span style="color:#03049c">Dianliang233</span>]] [[User talk:Dianliang233|<span style="color:#396cdb">T</span>]] [[Special:Contribs/Dianliang233|<span style="color:#39f">C</span>]]''' 14:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::Of course, because the only point of the game is building farms. If someone wants these pages they will still have them a click away, but a new player can't be introduced to the game with trading! [[User:Gugalcrom123|Gugalcrom123]] ([[User talk:Gugalcrom123|talk]]) 15:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::I think you're both right in a way. We simply need both the main things and the most needed things first. -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 14:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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::Personally, I think the links we have at the moment, their icons and their order is completely fine and I oppose changing them for now. They've just been changed after some discussion and I'd prefer if they didn't change every few months.--[[User:Capopanzo|Capopanzo]] ([[User talk:Capopanzo|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Capopanzo|contribs]]) 15:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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::Maybe the "Smelting" icon could be a ''lit'' furnace, as it shows the action? Just a suggestion, the idle furnace works just as well. [[User:Jurta|Jurta]] ([[User talk:Jurta|talk]]) 18:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::I don't know, that was opposed previously. Good idea, though... -~-<b style="border:2px solid #0ef"> [[User:Nerdyguy2000|Nerdyguy2000]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #ef0"> [[User talk:Nerdyguy2000|Talk]] </b> <b style="border:2px solid #f0e"> [[Special:Contribs/Nerdyguy2000|Edits]] </b> 18:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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::I agree that history should be a book and a pen, I assure you that in my first months in Minecraft I didn't even know what a clock was. [[User:Lapis lo zoli|Lapis lo zoli]] ([[User talk:Lapis lo zoli|talk]]) 09:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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:I'd like the Brewing icon to be a brewing stand to be a bit more obvious about what the page is about, the Smithing icon will be a smithing table to match the Crafting and Smelting icon. [[User:Agemlover3636|Agemlover3636]] ([[User talk:Agemlover3636|talk]]) 12:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
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